Posts by Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

by KateWild in

i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

mrh: "Yes, the LGBT community is worse than the JW. The JW may shun you, but once you deal with that, they leave you alone to live your life. There is no getting away from the LGBT community. If you disagree with them, they will go after you with a passion."

JWs still come through my neighborhood every couple of months, ringing buzzers, trying to get inside apartment buildings, leaving their invitations and tracts to litter the area. There haven't been carloads of LGBTs going door-to-door around here trying to recruit like the JWs. I have both JW and gay family members, it's only the JWs that don't let me live my life. There is a large LGBT community in my city and it seems very easy to get away from it. But then, I'm not trying to start a battle by disagreeing with their civil rights. So in my experience JWs are much worse than the LGBT community.

And the irony is that JWs are ready to go to court to insure THEIR rights to tell everyone else that their religions are a scam, the governement is run by the devil, and rocks will soon fall from the sky to smash open the skulls of all non-JWs!

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Are you complicit if you stay in?

by mrhhome in

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i am going to throw down the gaunlet.

those who know the truth but stay in anyways are complicit in actions of the jehovah witness organization.

while i am sympathetic to the very difficult choices that they have to make, their unwillingness to confront the jw enables the organization.. some of you may remember my story.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Personally, I appreciate those on this forum who are still in for whatever reason.

Those who are still elders and post here are in the best position to share with us WT's ugly financial strategies. How would we know anything about their current money-grab if it weren't for the insiders that willingly disclose it here? Those who drag themselves to the Discrap Crapvention are able to recount the mindnumbing dramas and other details that I'm glad I don't have to sit through.

Thanks to their contributions to this forum, I know what my family is being told by WT, by the COs, etc. It's the absolute best spy network that I pay nothing to benefit from.

And for the minority of posters on here who are still attending meetings, if they suddenly chose to DA and never set foot in a KH again, it wouldn't somehow end the brainwashing of my friends and family. Rather, it would be a gift to WT if all "closet apostates" left. It would be their dream come true if they could put out an even crazier elders' manual and there wouldn't be anyone to leak it to the web. People like me would lose a valuable source of inside information.

Consequently, to those of you that are still stuck inside and come here to describe all the craziness inside WT, I say, "Thank You!"

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Standing on Street Corners, Counting Time - the Impotent Future of Preaching

by passwordprotected in

you see them all over the place now, 2 or 3 of them standing near a portable display of bible-based literature, chatting to each other.

counting time.. i've seen them in london, glasgow and cluj (romania).

the portable display is always the same.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I've seen them setup at various places in the city. Accomplishing nothing.

The last time I saw them, they were parked between an assortment of other bible-thumpers with signs. Meanwhile, a couple of vans drove down the street with loudspeakers talking about Jeez-us.

They silently blend into the cacophony of crazies.

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Jehovah vs. Jehovah - A comparison

by processor in

getting to know the warrior who gives peace we can learn something about god when we are concerned with people like jacob, who saw god face to face.

(gen. 32:30) true, moses and aaron, nadab and abihu and seventy of the older men of israel proceeded to go up, and they got to see the god of israel.

24:9, 10.someone who has seen god face to face surely would be able to teach us many things about him.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

15. Why should we be grateful?

We can be grateful that Jehovah:

Never changes.
Changes to suit his purposes.

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The List, by "Prominent Bethelite"

by morloc in

i occasionally pop through here to catch up on the latest, but this time i'm going to pop my own post on here.. some of you internet oldsters may even remember this.

my first experience on the internet regarding discussions about jehovah's witnesses and the watchtower took place on a now-obscure usenet group, before i eventually stumbled across hourglass2.. during those days, there was a poster who went by the name "prominent bethelite," an otherwise anonymous individual whom i remember most for an extensive, exhaustive compilation of date-oriented remarks, predictions, and expectations by the watchtower organization down through the decades of its history.. it became known as "the list" and it's definitely lengthy... but a fascination look at the abundance of errant statements made through the watchtower's history.. if you're curious, it's been available for a long time on hourglass2's site, and can be seen using the link provided below.. the list, compiled by prominent bethelite (1999).

that's about it for this stop through here.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"14 post in 14 years, I admire you dedication to lurkdom!"

The way these Last Days keep lasting and lasting, it makes sense to pace yourself!

I wish there was a way to time travel back through the Internet to wake myself up earlier to TTATT. But, god bless the Internet for finally saving me from the Watchtower Wasteland of false prophecy and bogus chronology.

ps: Morloc, eh? You wouldn't happen to be related to Sparlock, would you? He's an awesome superhero whose greatest power is to make the evil Jehovah very sad.

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The CO visit this week he says" In August..."

by James Jackson in

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up until 5 years ago, the co used to work up their own parts for specfic congregations in their circuits.

everything is up to script, in other words, every co in the country are givings the same talks in the local congregations they visit.

what got me to cringe is when he said at the meeting, trying to encourage everyone to pioneer this august; he said :" you know this october it will be 100 years since gods kingdom began ruling, remember what happen when joshua told the israelites to march around jericho on the seventh day, and what happened when they let out a great war cry?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

He Said :" You know this October it will be 100 years since Gods Kingdom began ruling, remember what happen when Joshua told the Israelites to March around Jericho on the seventh day, and what happened when they let out a great war cry? "

The difference between 7 days and 100 years is 100 years give or take a week. Whether "this generation" has let out 5,220 or 5,221 "great war cries" every seven days doesn't make them look like any less the false prophets.

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Hello- new here

by Kikura in

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been lurking for a while on here and thought i'd jump in.

a great deal of many thoughtful posts on here but have to say am a bit turned off with the 'rabid apostate' ones!.

my history- was raised in a divided household, mum converted to jw when pregnant with me back in 1970, dad was never jw but was supportive of taking us to meetings, assemblies etc.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Welcome! ... from all us rabbit apostates!

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First Post - Emotionally Torn

by scaredtospeak in

i haven't been on here long but i found this site a couple days ago and quickly realised it had a lot of posts by people going through similar experiences as me.

i read some of the answers and it helped relieve some inner anguish i've been carrying since everything i came clean to my parents about everything i've been reading about.. .

i just have been going through a rough patch right now; that might be an under or overstatement depending on your own personal experiences with this kind of stuff.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Welcome!

"If anyone replies to this, I just want to know that someone out there has been through something like this and that maybe all this anguish and depression and feeling hopeless will go away. The only reason I feel so sad is because I have this dread that I'm choosing between my life and my family's happiness."

Many of us spent years going through such manipulation by the cult and by family. Being a JW was terribly depressing both when I was the model bethelite and when I was fading. Now, things are much better after years away, despite the fact that my parents are still enslaved to the WT lies.

Have you had a chance to read any of Steven Hassan's books? Although most of us may not be able to rescue all our families from the cult, at least it provides information to help us understand how cults work and how we can free our own thinking.

Not sure if you've ready any of these, or if they'll help:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/253592/1/exJW-Psychology-101-Keeping-Your-Cool-While-Fading

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/254990/1/exJW-Psychology-102-How-to-Ask-a-Question-When-Questions-Arent-Allowed

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/255058/1/exJW-Psychology-103-Lets-Reconsider-Confidentiality

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/256052/1/exJW-Psychology-104-One-Way-to-Play-the-Depression-Card

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/270595/1/exJW-Psychology-105-Are-You-Ready-for-The-Big-A

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This new donation direction and true selfishness!

by stuckinarut2 in

so we all know about this new donation arrangement.?.

every cong is supposed to send in all their savings to the society for them to allocate or use however they see fit worldwide.. but here is where true "selfishness" has become apparent!

(remember just this last weekend the wt study was all about not being "selfish" or self willed??!!).

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Jesus gave an illustration of the accountant with practical thinking. He cooked the books in his favor and was commended for "worldly wisdom".

I hope every congregation empties their accounts and donates $0 to "mother".

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The Last BOE!

by Atlantis in

this is the last boe we will be able to provide.

our informant or source, was caught, disfellowshipped, and thrown out of bethel.

we knew that sooner or later the watchtower would find him out.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"The Governing Body has lovingly provided for the installation of Jehovacams in the restrooms of all Kingdumb Hauls and Assembleh Hauls to make sure none of the friends are jacking off or posting to JWN during the programs. The Jehovacams are connected directly to monitors in front of resposible brothers at the branch who have been prayerfully appointed by the Gobbering Bodly. I'm sure you will all agree that it is happifying to see the donated funds used so wisely."